Cheating, for those who know not what to do!
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 04:36:53

Hi to you all,

I stumbled upon this site whilst trying to find polar data. (yes have found it ) then started to read your posts about cards.
I got hooked into Vr with the VDG a while ago, no cards back then.
Then all changed with lost polar info and silly cards to un-barrel. Well what a
dumbing down of a very good sailing game, and we now have a minimum 4Knots. Ug.
Since the cards have been introduced, I have not played a single one. Nop, not one. I read your comments and wonder what it is you are so worried about.
My best result so far has been 16th, this by pitting my wits against all you full wardrobed yachts with your computer enabled tracks to follow. No wonder its hard to get to the front, your all cheating.
Why don’t you all log in at the start then let the computer do the race for you, that way you can all finish first.
I have been sailing ever since I was able to float, and have sailed all kinds of dinghy’s, yachts and once a canal barge. This virtual sailing is brilliant if you try sailing with your own tactics. Not those from a computer! Who are you kidding? Of course you will never win against a calculator, after all this vr is nothing but numbers. So you let the computer crunch the numbers and you follow your captains instructions. So who is sailing your Vr yacht? You or a computer.
I was so impressed with how often the top sailors were continually at the cutting edge all the time, relentlessly winning. Time and time again. Wow they are so good.!!
Wow ! hang on a moment!! Its not them at all. Its virtual sailors sailing virtual yachts.
So, for you hungry, want to win at all costs, not really sailors. Take a look at what is going on, your kidding yourselfers as to how good you are.
I am sailing the Jules Verne, deliberately with just jib and spinnaker. Nothing else. I know I cannot win, yet everyone I do beat, I have beaten using my knowledge and forecasting.
Just finished the Clipper stage 6, in 431st place. With limited sails, and a whole lot of cold tea. That felt so good to beat a whole chunk of good sailors ( or were they computers ) , the reason I think I did quite well is the computer struggles with shifting wind’s, and you lot didn’t know what to do, Ha!!!
The last leg of the Volvo was nothing short of a possession, with hardy any tactics. And hey presto the tops were first. Wonder how they did that?
It might be nice to have a no cards, no way points, and only two sails race. And to pick a weather pattern from a couple of years ago, so the computers have nothing to cheat with. See how you deal with that scenario!
I am sure you know where I am coming from by now, the top lot aren’t that good if they need help.
Perhaps their boats should have a flag, saying robot on board.

Now that I have found the all important polar data, I can plan better when to expect a sail change. Or at what angle to get the best vmg, and to limit the number of penalty’s I have to suffer trying a trial and error approach with this stupid new game interface.

Glugwort.

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Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 07:55:54
You have a point.

But you are also missing few points:

- Real boats use weather routing too. There were times when no outside assistance was allowed, but now the organizers just make sure that everyone gets the same data by appointing official weather provider. It's true that current conditions for real boats do not equal the forecast and they have to act accordingly, but it's also true that the forecast is just a forecast for the virtual boats too. It is bound to change and just following the whim of the router hour-to hour won't get you very far.

- Even without this site many leading players would still use weather routing. Expedition, Adrena, PredictWind, qtVLM, VRTool, you name it. Then other players would just follow the leaders and you'd still get pretty much the same picture.

- Using past weather data is the worst possible thing. Archives are available, so someone would find the exact moment in time, do a retrospective routing with past data (which is certain, unlike the forecast) and calculate the perfect track.

- Using entirely random/separated from reality model is not feasible. One sailing game introduces random variations to the current conditions to add realism, bu that opens different can of worms - everyone should trust the game organizers not to favor certain players.



Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 08:24:06
For me what makes a sailing game bad is the lack of transparency, and we (as a community) are trying to fill that gap and level the playing field.

My point is that when some of the data is not public then a computer-savvy user will know how to find it and will gain unfair advantage by using it.

One example are the boat polars. Many years ago they weren't readily available and people were collecting data points and building spreadsheets by hand. The nature of the sailing game is such that the client should know the polars in order to show you the boat speed when steering and project your track. No way to hide them.

Another are all the game quirks (even more so with VR3). All details about penalties, exact wind/boat speed /angle vs. rounded display, details about the weather schedule and so on.
Post by iconPost by NickOlson | 2018-01-15 | 08:36:59
Glugwort. I dont think you have a point at all. Your comments are naive and actually just plain rude. But maybe youre just a bit angry that with your expert abilities you cant beat other people who are also very good, but are smart enough to use tools to aid their decision making and think more in depth.
This leg in volvo has been a perfect example of making your own decisions, there are distinct groups of sailors who have made different decisions on routes. There were several clear instances where just following a router would have led you the wrong way. No-one wins by following the router.
I challenge you to try Zezo for the next leg. I think you will change your opinion. Use your "expert" abilities and mix this in with the guide that is a weather router and see what you think then. Make an educated comment rather than an uninformed rant.

For me it is the weather routing that makes the game, analysing and trying to better understand the weather systems along with what the router suggests adds complexity and interest that translates to the real world.
Post by iconPost by RastaSLO | 2018-01-15 | 10:31:41
Hello Glugwort.
First of all, we must all agree that this is a game, a voluntary decision of each and every one of us to participate in some sort of competition to check who is better, in decisions and in numbers, but for sure not in sailing, or even real sailing. For that we should meet, sometime, somewhere, maybe ...
Why are you using polars? For cheating? No? Polars are plain numbers. Why are you using map? Anemometer? Compass? Autopilot? Are these cheaters?
No. They are making our lives much more easier. For routing you only need simple cosine and some of the numbers, and routing is done. I am sure there are bots participating in this game, and I would use it aswell if I know how to make one. This router is only a tool. Very good one as you can see that users usually are winners.
But, human decisions, speculations, guesses, risky moves are making winners in this game (actually also in real life, don't you agree). I agree that in short legs it is more or less straightforward, but in longer legs no chance computer can win over human insight into the future and gut feeling.
Use the tool and enjoy the game.
And keep the real sailing. No game can beat the feeling of a real wind.
Post by iconPost by Research FlatEarth | 2018-01-15 | 11:20:21
IM curently 150 in this leg. And i ignorred zezo sim for 2 day because i wanted to go west. So i did and make a run.
Sail well - all.

Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 11:34:22
Thank you all for your reactions,

I think my point is that of an equal playing field, so all have the same chance to do well. Yes I have made and will make some corkers of bad decisions, and get spat out the back. And those of you with all the bells and whistles have a distinct advantage and continue to sail away. That’s racing!
So why is this sailing aid not part of the vr game? it was only by chance whilst trying to find polar data that I stumbled upon it. (incidentally it is rather clever)
In the old game I used the polars all the time, and enjoyed them immensely in working out how to get the best from my virtual yacht. (That’s me working it out not a computer )

The polars were available to all!

Now with the new interface the way to find out is by trial and error. Costing many penalty’s in the futile process. (That I find a real step backward in the game)
The polar aid here is brilliant and ought to be made known to all players in vr, don’t you think.
Before any race starts I was checking the yacht for days at different wind speeds trying to build my own polar database, as they are so important.
But honestly, a computer aided track finder. If all players had the same use and were aware of it, so it became equal. Wouldn’t that be a better playing field/pond.?
I get seasick by the way. So to go and do what I love is tough at times.

Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 14:27:04
You should probably as about the lack of built-in polars in the game forum/club house. Also why the pity attempt of built-in weather routing in the form of useless Help cards.

If you wonder why this site is not more widely announced and linked you can read this thread http://zezo.org/forum.pl?tid=6027. Most of it is in French, but google translate can deal with that.
Post by iconPost by karriv | 2018-01-15 | 17:53:17
Not going to the question of Cvetan's sailing simulator being available to everyone (what it is IMHO, without charge), did you stop to think for a second that if using routing software is "letting the computer do the race for you" and everyone's using the same computer, how come everyone doesn't finish at the same time but you find a winner and with substantial differences? Why might that be?
Post by iconPost by United4Ever | 2018-01-17 | 20:10:49
Hello everybody.
I'm a new user, I read the Glugwort's post and I registered my user's account just to reply to him.
I use zezo's software since he put it online, but before it I used several others tools, because is impossible, in my opinion, sailing for weeks in the middle of various (virtual) oceans, without a plain to follow and the right hints to get the best way to reach the destination.
I'm wondering about to rename my boat in "Thanks Zezo", because he was able to put all the virtual skippers in the same condition, equal for everyone.
You can choose your favourite plain, following zezo or the forecast or trying to guess, keeping in mind that we sail with minimum 4 knots, so reality is very different than the game.
Every sailor could sail with just a compass and a map, but even to helm a laser you have technological tools to calculate VMG, WA, WS and so on...
I think you are a "fair player" if you play the game in honest way, not hacking the game (if it's possible to do).
Zezo could take the software just for himself, taking huge advantage against other players, but he didn't. This is the confirmation of his fair play, sharing his knowledge with us all.
So, I think you know all these things, but you preferred to be unpolite accusing thousands of players (because, remember, this is just a game) to be cheaters, getting aces from the sleeve, giving a demonstration that you just want to put discord in the forum, just like a troll.
I would suggest you to enjoy the game, if you can, with or without routers or similar things, and go trolling in other places.
That's all.
PS. I Apologize for my "macheronic English".

Giorgio from Sardinia, Italy (United4Ever)


Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 11:37:54
And to NickOlson, yes I am thick, and not that smart.
Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-15 | 11:45:40

Post by iconPost by Lazy_Hikers_Finland | 2018-01-15 | 12:16:08
Funny troll from glugwort !
Post by iconPost by WoKeN | 2018-01-15 | 17:30:46
glugworts post synopsis: "I'm l33t and y'all nOObs sux".


Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 18:28:09
Seems you are all advocates for drugs in sport, make is as uneven as you can in your favor. As long as you can get away with it, use it.
Then when questioned, deny all knowledge and grab the prize.
But you know deep inside you won unfairly, and you don’t care as long as you get the glory.
I am not in this to win it, as that requires a lot of time if I do it drug free.
I understand you want to do as little as posable, and cross the line first. That is obviously in your nature.
Perhaps we need drug testing in VR, sort out the cheat’s, or at least put them into the ParaVR. As they clearly have a disability! And require assistance to compete!
I might call you the egg and spoon racers with glue on your spoon!

Post by iconPost by WoKeN | 2018-01-15 | 18:51:37
I know I'm feeding the troll here but comparing perfectly legal navigation tools with drugs is utter bollox. Besides, nobody denies here they're using navigation tools and it's never an unfailable key to success (see this VOR leg for instance). At the most it's a useful tool with making strategic and tactical decisions.

When speaking about game CHEATING we're talking about using cheat codes that illegally interfere with the games engine. That's absolutely not the fact in this discussion.

So I'm leaving you endulging in your own private hall of fame where you keep telling yourself that you beat all them cheating pros with their with all the bells and whistles.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 18:31:13

Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 18:57:43
That is such a remarkable likeness, do you know me? Or are we related.!
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 19:39:05
Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-15 | 20:23:38
hahahahahaha, is a kid.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 20:31:13
No. But it does not matter.
Post by iconPost by Stormbringer | 2018-01-15 | 22:49:54
He's got his sheet running through a block?

Cheater!
Post by iconPost by GeGaX | 2018-01-15 | 19:41:21
lol, well seen Cvetan ;)
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 20:06:43
Google is scary sometimes. Most of the time.

I stand here with my name, public profile, family pictures and probably street address if you know where to look. And most everyone does does the same, willingly or not.
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-15 | 20:23:43
Clearly upset by my observations, this need not get personal.
Having an aid to give multiple choice is obviously a requirement for some.
What I believe was my intention was to have an equal playing field! Not have mummy holding the hands of those who think they need help making a decision.
If those here that are of young years then by all means give mummy a call, but if a tad over 10. Then make your own mind up.

Good winds a Fair swells.

Glugwort

Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-15 | 20:46:15
be fun...
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 20:50:09
It's exactly about the level playing field. Expedition is worth $1000 and has a steep learning curve, so very few people can afford using it. But then some will.

This site is free and open and available for everyone in the world. You won't get better service here even if you pay $1000.

It's not a good business model. But that's how I like it.

There are no prizes now, but VR/VOR were giving away cars in the past. I could have kept all the knowledge for myself and go after the car. THAT would be unfair advantage. But I did not.


Post by iconPost by Stormbringer | 2018-01-15 | 22:32:57
Sorry but I need to chime in

Glugwort-

You don't seem to understand the spirit of Zezo, or even the concept of what a tool actually is.

Zezo is, and I say this with the utmost respect for Cvetan and his efforts, a dumb tool, like a hammer or a wheel. It can't achieve anything on it's own, it can only spit out an optimized route based on a weather prediction. When the weather prediction changes, which it can do hourly in some parts of the world, the route changes as well. As a result of this, anyone who follows Zezo blindly will be guaranteed NOT to win.

It's pure trigonometry, Glugwort. I hope you've never used a calculator in your life, because if you have you are a hypocrite.

As with any tool, Zezo's degree of usefulness is a function of the skills of the user. Using identical tools, an experienced carpenter would craft a far superior piece of furniture than a novice builder.

You may have had a legitimate complaint if Cvetan was charging money for Zezo, but it is free to any who want to use it.

So instead of channeling your misdirected frustration at just having discovered Zezo by accusing us all of cheating, you should just use it, because when you say you placed 16th overall in a race without using a router, I can promise you that either:

a) you are lying
b) you are completely lacking anything remotely resembling a real life outside of VR

Either way, Zezo will improve your life, which is the ultimate point of a tool to begin with.

This has been a moment of clarity compliments of The Bringer!






Post by iconPost by Zilvermeeuw | 2018-01-15 | 23:22:16
Hi sailors, i agree with glugwort. At first, zezo was a magnificent tool, but it has taken the fun out of the game for me. Because you cannot be in the top without it.
And i do not want to follow a machine.
I want to learn by sailing, And trying. And yes, by using polars.
At te leg From Capetown i was somewhere in 3200 place, but it was not my achievement, it was zezo's. ( i plunged inthe game on vor leg two And had never played before)
So i stopped using it, hoping to end between 10.000 And 20.000 in the VOR leg To Hong Kong.

It is not about using tools, or making them availeble to everyone ( which is great zezo), but that if you don't use zezo, you'll never win.

I am a no money player, but i can accept that Vr wants To make money And money players probably wiil win. Cvetan you do exactly the same: zezo users Will win. Mayby not the same everytime, but a zezo user it is.

So, if you switch the zezo router off, Will the usual winners be in front?

I wonder..
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-15 | 23:31:18
I can shut it down, but there are at least 10 alternatives. Online and offline, ranging from free to $5000 license. Yo'll just get rid of some Mac users, some folks playing only on their phones and some players who can't or won't bother to import the polars into VRTool or qtVLM.

I know few people who use Expedition in real life and in the game too, to keep their skills current. Nick is at PredictWind and has access to all the technology (you can too, for a small fee)

Do you believe they will stop using their favorite tools just because you don't like it?
Post by iconPost by ANZOR | 2018-01-15 | 23:25:30
glugwort

You are being really funny to be honest, i just had a really good laugh on your silly thread, and thanks for that.

Either you are too young to understand or just trying to act stupid, i will just remind you that you are in 21. century and almost everyone is using a router of some sort in sailing nowdays, especially on long legs.

This site is created as Zezo wrote in the About section, just to help you with your sailing, because normal people cant stay 24/7 on their computers racing a virtual regata, they have a life, job, and a family, and hundreds more things to do in the real life except sitting on the computer whole day.
Post by iconPost by Zilvermeeuw | 2018-01-15 | 23:59:23
Maybe there are a lot of tools, but this is the one i found first and is especially desigend for this game.
And is used by a lot of players, probably more than players Who use the tools you mean (And i don't know of).
It is not that i just don't like it, the programme is great, but i think the popularity has spoild the game.

Sorry for that, i know you mean well,otherwise you would
not have given the tool for free, And i know that only following zezo does'nt make you win ( i read the forum), but i know i won't win without it.

Even if i was a all money player, which i am not, but it is not about winning, but about an even chance.
Post by iconPost by natto | 2018-01-16 | 00:36:03
Is this seriously a thread debating the virtue of using software tools to compete in a game that is........a software game?
Post by iconPost by mak08 | 2018-01-16 | 00:57:43
Yes and no. As far as I understand, it's a bunch of people lamenting the fact that they don't win /despite/ using routing software.

And the discussion is rather hypocritical as VR ALLOWS the use of routers:
https://virtualregatta.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001501173-Is-routing-allowed-
(Don't let them take you in. They don't endorse routers, that's all).
Post by iconPost by WildWassa | 2018-01-16 | 01:17:15
Although VR is about racing sailboats, it isn't strictly about simulating the sailing of racing sailboats. If you want to simulate racing sailboats, changing sails, pulling on sheets, racing at close quarters, chasing puffs hunting the lifts and avoiding the knocks, collisions at sea and clearing penalties, in both fleet and match racing, play Virtual Skipper.

What is unique about VR and Zezo I find, is that they are magnificent free programmes for virtual sailboat navigators. The skillful navigators with a sound knowledge of making the most of the elements given to them, will do very well.

... and as for legal drug taking in this intellectual sport of virtual sailboat navigation, take NO-DOZ Plus. On the packet it says 'Helps relieve mental fatigue and drowsiness keeping you bright and alert'.

NO-DOZ is the go-to drug of doctors who are forced to work long hours in hospital casualty departments. NO-DOZ sure beats propping open your eyelids with match sticks. TAKE NO MORE THAN 5 NO-DOZ TABLETS WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD!

I hope this helps, those navigators who are adverse to using waypoint and programation cards.

WildWassa.

PS, I had better get back to the Volvo 4th leg, before I lose the plot, even further. Kick boat.





Post by iconPost by GeGaX | 2018-01-16 | 01:30:05
I find this subject laughable ...

We all have the choice to navigate virtually as we see fit ...

For me, there are 4 categories of VR virtual sailors
- Without money / no router
- Without money / with router
- With money / without router
- With money / with router

Which means that there are 4 rankings during a race
VR pays no attention to 'without money' (it's their will)
Rest 'Money without router' and 'Money with router'

So we must accept its category and play with if we want to get involved more we have the choice router and / or money

Those who come crying here, I do not understand them if they want to become better they will have to either pay and / or learn the use of a router but in no case we come to complain. We navigate at the height of our knowledge and the involvement we can give to the game, and the time we want to give to learning tools to optimize our navigation ...

I will complain too, I think it's unfair not to be able to do all races in Full Pack, I do not want to spend a lot of time on my PC and I want to win all races!

Let's get a little common sense, we have the ranking we deserve and do not forget it's a game first and foremost
Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-16 | 02:13:54
Guys no routing and no spend money...
somewhere is a AMISH SAILOR CLUB you can joined and have fun together.



Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 02:36:06
To the brilliant architect of zezo, I do admire your dedication to do what you do, and for very little reward. That is a rare thing these days, I take my hat off to you for that.
Now your hard efforts are being used by the less hard, (no, soft players) who want to win but don’t want to put the effort in as you have done it for them! A bit like I suppose helping an old lady across the road, she probably can manage to make it across. But would be much quicker with some help.
Now this poor frail old lady, so wants to be like a young person again. And swallows countless cards tokens, and whatever else she can find in the beauty department.
Alas the face lift is obvious to everyone but her!
The users are frail, and in need of your guidance. Well done for being so charitable and thinking of their disadvantage.

By the way, my best result of 16th, was that race when they introduced the minimum 4knot. You poor frail ones all shot north, following your pills and potion’s. And missed the obvious.
Ha, Ha.

Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-16 | 02:48:03
You still fucking around.
shut up boring cunt.
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 06:17:26
This is for Trailaspress, eyes only.

Thank you so much for reading my words, i can feel the love you bring to this forum. You clearly have issues, me ! i shall pray you have a most pleasant day. and all your dreams come true. What is that last word?

and the third?

such a pleasant fellow.!

x x
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 07:25:06
I have to offer my most humble apology’s to the users of zezo’s sailing aid. This I do with my head bowed, and my domineer respectfully adjusted to offend you not.
I had no idea the users had such afflictions, and are suffering so much. The poor things! If there is something I can do to help, I would willingly rub in more zezo ointment. Or may be help them to turn over their cards, and those tokens all scattered across the floor. I shall pick them up and stack them neatly in the huge piles they require. If only I had known about the rehabilitation they are undertaking, it must be so very hard for them to think!
As I have been so inconsiderate, I shall donate some virtual love their way, in the hope they get better. and can live as normal a life as is possible for such an under-evolved species.
I suppose its best to let them be at the front, least they have a tantrum. Oop’s, I think I can hear one coming!

If Virtual Regather wanted assisted tracking, would it not be a part of the game for all to use. ? or is it they can do nothing to stop it.

I know it’s a game, a very slow game, a coloured dot on a screen, we are trying to persuade across to another place. Using the wind, and the fundamentals of sailing.
Hang on a moment! If I tilt my screen that way the dot might go faster. Using gravity to wiz me dot faster than yours.
As clever as the assisted programs are, they make a sham of the so-called racing. Get Virtual Regatta to have an identifier on the assisted yachts. And have them highlighted, have an elite division that we can all see. But again, that is open to those that wish to stay hidden and not revel they use virtual-drugs.
I suppose I have to accept the unscrupulous players will always find a way to get there fix.

To those that tell me to try it, I don’t do drugs. Never have, never will. I race under my own merit, and not that of a program. If I used assisted racing, there would be no challenge!
A pointless pastime, I might as well wind it up and let it tell me when its finished. Then I can marvel in my magnificent’s , and tell everyone how well the computer did.

Yes, a loser, but a proud loser who holds his head up high. Knowing deep inside I did the best I could. ( not the best a computer could )

Gluwort, floundering along behind the drugged up.

Is that another tantrum pounding in my direction?

Oh and to zezo, this is not aimed at you, as you are cleverer than me and most else. It’s for those who are using you. So they can puff up their chests, and swagger about basking in your glory.

Perhaps your users can put an acknowledgment after their boat name, giving you the credit.
That would require a backbone, so is evolutionarily imposable. ( in particular for a certain squashed transport mechanism that follows ) I wonder if that creature can work that one out!

Now I understand who the program was written for!

Post by iconPost by nsp | 2018-01-16 | 08:22:10
Dear child,

I've read your rude first post and half of the second idiot one, not even bothering to lose my time to read the others.

So maybe I am goig to be too harsh or even unfair if that's the point, I maybe even cosider to apologize if one of the other members would comment that I overreacted.

But having into consideration the tone and the subject and the substance of your ideas i really am not going to read more than those one and a half posts.

This just to saying that, you know kid, sometimes people have to have the sense of how ridiculous they can be. And also that, they normally have a chance to get out of a ridiculous situation in a smart way.

When someone doesn't use that chance, well... it crosses the line of starting being an idiot, but there's still another chance ahead, if you don't use it, you will cross the border of being a jerk and so on.

I think you are young enough to read this and learn this lesson. Take your chance to get out of your ridiculous initial position and always use your fist way off. Always be polite. And never invade another person's homeplace playing the king of the hill and trying to insult paople and say that you are the best.People imediatly will recognize your inferiority complex and with that you just prove your value in the comunitty is under the level of a bug.

And by the way, as nowadays VR game is a piece of shit as a weather simulator and tactical navigational simm when you put routers out of the way saying you are the best you just prove you are a morron...why? Just because of that, if the game is shit and you can't simulate and you understand nothing about weather systems and navigation you need to have maps and better weather forecasts tools and plotters to make your projections. just like in real boats. And if you never understood, VR is all about that..trying to get as real as possible....unfortunatelly the company that developes the game nowadays is a bit behind what was already in the past, but improving.

One last thing kid,

Never ask anyone to don't get it personal after you turning it personal..its the most idiot thing you can say. And at the same time it's being a smartass and a coward.

Fair winds...and kick your boat up with your spurs cowboy kid ...prove all of us that you are better than a 16th and you were just not lucky or an hacker....but hey..don't use router...and polars...really...do you need that with your level?

Ipyiahey M....F...

NSP



Post by iconPost by karriv | 2018-01-16 | 08:45:19
As Cvetan said, don't feed the troll. Even if you would be very tempted to do so.
Post by iconPost by Lazy_Hikers_Finland | 2018-01-16 | 09:04:20
+1
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-16 | 09:29:03
@glugwort what do you think the Help card in the game is supposed to do? It's intended to be exactly in-game assisted routing (to help the newbies)
Post by iconPost by LJadra | 2018-01-16 | 11:55:53
@glugworth, Thank you very much, you really made me laugh reading your posts.
But you are not joking right? And that is sad. You're frustrated.
Maybe you should do some drugs as you need to expand your horizon.

Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-16 | 12:02:39
It is not hard to understand the frustration and disappointment of someone who has been playing the game for years and had finally discovered that other players have been playing entirely different game.

No need to be offensive, both sides of the fence.
Post by iconPost by WoKeN | 2018-01-16 | 13:29:04
Let me guess, glugwort still uses a sextant and a globe to travel the 7 seas, because using a TomTom is cheating.
Post by iconPost by nsp | 2018-01-16 | 13:34:01
c'mon Woken...I still use a sextant. it's funnnnnnn :P
Post by iconPost by WoKeN | 2018-01-16 | 15:17:10
Well, if he would have lived in the days of the VOC he might have called it a cheat as well, and I'm not even talking about the chronometre or gimbals...
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-16 | 14:06:49
Now that sounds like a plan for a proper sailing game - you get a chart without GPS fix, have to use celestial navigation and dead reckoning.

But I'm afraid it won't be a big commercial success.
Post by iconPost by WoKeN | 2018-01-16 | 15:20:56
Chart? Charts? We don't need no steenking charts! We sail on compass and clouds.
Post by iconPost by WaterHammer | 2018-01-16 | 20:21:12
We don't even need a compass. My nose is my compass. Hey, where did the other boats go?
Post by iconPost by haliz | 2018-01-16 | 14:55:59
That is, if I take the formula for calculating the routing and the calculator (or on paper) for 2 - 3 hours (and maybe more) will calculate your route for the next 3 days, taking readings of the weather from the screen in a VR game (although I know that can get these weather maps in a different place and in a more readable form, but not those stupid moving the point from which any benefit, but only dazzled). But suppose I did such a calculation. What? I'm a hero? No. I - fucking woodpecker. Because playing the computer, I deliberately limit myself. Why should I think that the other players, too, are perverts like me?
Let's in real life abandon the use of the latest technology and electronics in the competition and sailing based on the fact that the Papuans floating on their rafts between the Islands use nothing. They are heroes, and we are cheaters :)
Although the Papuans increasingly prefer to use a GPS. Also not heroes :) Also cheaters. Fucking cheaters. How dare they?!
And it is necessary to prohibit a carbon fiber and devices Tactic for sailing to use in competitions America's Cup and etc.
"Glugwort"- you're a pervert. And you are proud of. You come and scratch it in the toilet with his ego. No need to scratch your ego about us. :)
Post by iconPost by WaterHammer | 2018-01-16 | 20:23:24
The Papuans use the swell to orient themselves. We don't have that in the computer. Poor us.
Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-16 | 15:09:48

Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 18:13:54
Hello all,

Some of your comments have been very encouraging, and some I am pleased you have seen the funny side to this forum exchange.
Some have resorted to a base language that is really unnecessary, and rather uncouth.
That has sparked my response in a controlled and I hope humorous way.

I have wanted a sextant of my own, I did use my father’s one many years ago when living on a yacht. (yes a real yacht)

Yes thing’s have moved on, a chart is some think obsolete, and even some dismiss the compass. But when the power drops out as happens on even the most modern yachts. Those tried and trusted charts, compass, sextant still work.

Is this forum just for the those who wish to agree with each other, if so you need only know the phrase “ I concur “ and then you can pass that amongst yourselves.

I have knowingly jumped into the vipers pit here, just to gather some venom. And there is as I had suspected plenty to be reaped, this is now going to be sent to the laboratory for analysis, and to manufacture the antivenin.
Now that I am immune to the toxins, I can start to evaluate better the characteristics of this cell!

By the way for those that are unaware, that was humor!

Please feel free to post those funny cartoons, as they spice up the exchange. But refrain from swearing, as that is reserved for those who have not the vocabulary.

Thank you so much, Your loving Troll.

( a scientist in disguise, formulating a potion )

Post by iconPost by lorenzo | 2018-01-16 | 19:42:37
Quisque faber fortunae suae
Post by iconPost by harri | 2018-01-17 | 12:45:53
Everybody uses the tools of their era to navigate.
Post by iconPost by ANZOR | 2018-01-16 | 19:57:40
Kid, Do you really not have any smarter job to do in your depressed life then come on a sailing forum accusing everyone of ''cheating'' , by your comments i can see that you are really bored in your life, go find something interesting to do maybe do drugs like all the cool kids :)
Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-16 | 22:13:45
ahhahahahhahaahahhahahaha
Post by iconPost by NickOlson | 2018-01-16 | 20:35:29
I think hes from Australia, could explain a lot.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-16 | 20:53:57
NZ, actually :-)
Post by iconPost by NickOlson | 2018-01-16 | 22:22:25
I know was just seeing if it bites:)
Saw his name in the NZ group.
Post by iconPost by upperdecker | 2018-01-16 | 21:04:59
wtf did i just stumble on?
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-17 | 00:36:45
It’s the group with training wheels on !
Post by iconPost by nsp | 2018-01-17 | 01:47:56
I finnally got it our troll navigates in a bycicle! No wonder...
Post by iconPost by glugwort | 2018-01-17 | 09:02:45
If you can’t beat them, join them!

I wonder who else could win with assisted sailing?

An earth worm! A Toy Doll!

Better still, I recon a Goldfish could win, with assisted sailing.

And there, the term of the “ Goldfish Sailors “ begins.

Post by iconPost by Ursus Maritimus | 2018-01-17 | 09:10:04
even olympic classes uses electronic devices for convenience with starting but also for measuring windshift and CMG
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-17 | 10:21:14
You can prove your point by winning the next leg by assisted sailing.
Post by iconPost by DeepBrine | 2018-01-17 | 16:59:18
"I stumbled upon this site whilst trying to find polar data." - Glugwort

Dear Glugwort,

If you were meant to be using polar data, the fine folks at VRO3 would have provided it.

You seem like you are a "cheater" to me. The real issue is you aren't very good at it and now your nose is bent out of shape because it took you this long to figure out that, just like real sailing, using a weather router is something that can be done in the game.

I understand your anger. it must be frustrating to realize how inept and unskilled you have been. it's OK. We won't harass you too much when your IP address keeps popping up, asking for routing advice.

You did realize that was being tracked, right? ;-)


Post by iconPost by Trailaspress | 2018-01-17 | 17:57:04
ahhahahaahahah
Post by iconPost by Ursus Maritimus | 2018-01-17 | 18:32:18
did you know that the solar challenge was won by the team that had the best intell on where the sun would shine, where to pace and use kW's and where to slow a bit in the suns to recharge.

that is why in VOR the real boats all have the same data source so it is a true monoclass
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-01-17 | 18:43:23
That's also the reason why weather routing was generally forbidden 20 or 30 years ago - it was quite expensive at the time and not everyone could adfford it.

In recent races it's generally permitted as long as it uses public data sources. I was asked few years ago if it would be possible to support the real Newport-Bermuda for exactly that reason - so it would be public service.
Post by iconPost by occupywallstreet | 2018-01-17 | 20:02:49
I think there is a race for you: Golden Globe Race http://goldengloberace.com/ggr/ dear glugwort.
Think it is a race for those who are longing for those good old days.
Go there and shut up...
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