Going aground at the North Pole
Post by iconPost by Lasse | 2018-03-22 | 22:32:27

I've giving up any more attempts in JVT so I'm going north now. However, I can't see my boat anymore but I can still control it. It seems like Mom is also going for the pole. :-) And Ursusmaritimus (spelling?) has stopped at the beaches of Novaya Zemlya! :-)





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Post by iconPost by BGSteMarine | 2018-03-22 | 22:41:03
Hi Lasse,
If i remember well you should be stopped at 85°N, but will be able to go west or east ;-)
Post by iconPost by Lasse | 2018-03-22 | 22:44:50
Ok. I'll try to reach 90N :-)
Post by iconPost by Ursus Maritimus | 2018-03-23 | 07:00:12
I'm following the footsteps of my famous countryman Willem Barentz, after whom a sea is named. Hibernating since january.
And harvesting cards (close to 500) ..

Lasse, the earth is flat, if you go too far north, you will fall off.
Post by iconPost by YourMomSA | 2018-03-23 | 17:23:01
You know they installed a maximum card return at some point, right? I can't remember how many it is, but it isn't a lot. Harvesting cards beyond the maximum return won't produce any value. (Also, I believe you have to successfully cross the finish line in order to sell your cards, but I could be wrong about that)

In an event like this, it can be worthwhile to harvest a huge pile of cards in an early attempt, though, and then re-start and use the cards. I think Toppen did that rather than paying for the full pack. But with a closure data of March 31, it's too late for that kind of harvesting to be worthwhile.
Post by iconPost by YourMomSA | 2018-03-23 | 17:20:11
I see n'Lasse is at 89.30.00 exactly. Is that the end of the world? I'm on my way there. I'm curious to see how fast I can circumnavigate at the maximum north latitude.
Post by iconPost by Lasse | 2018-03-23 | 18:00:49
Let's have a race around the pole!!

:-)
Post by iconPost by YourMomSA | 2018-03-23 | 18:49:40


Post by iconPost by Solveig IV VSC | 2018-03-23 | 19:02:32
Hi all,
this is my first post in this forum - thank you very much to all for sharing precious informations.
I just would like to mention that, instead of trying a second attempt on the normal route I sailed the North-East - and then the Nort-West-Passage, follwoing closely the tracks laid by Vega and Gjoa along the Siberian and Canadian Coastline. It took me 26 days and 7 hours to complete (only C0 as additional sail). There were, however, only light breezes in the North-West-Passage and always on the nose.

Fair winds to all,
Stefan

Post by iconPost by tyghfg | 2018-03-23 | 20:06:55
I did it with my "siara" boat. Went straight up north, took Iceland on port, turning East after passing Svalbard. Cant remember how far north i went but after 7 days I was entering N-W passage to fight with 2kn wind. On 17,5 day i went aground on Engald shore. Got only hs and pw. Too lazy to post pic, but if you want to check my route-look for "siara" :)

Post by iconPost by Lasse | 2018-03-24 | 00:08:09
Nice work! :-)
Post by iconPost by YourMomSA | 2018-03-24 | 20:02:02
Some random information from my explorations for anyone who might be curious...

- Based on the below, the real world doesn't have any land north of 84N. Plenty of sea ice, but sea ice is open water in the game. I think it's probably safe to assume everything in the game above 84N is open water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_northerly_point_of_land

- The furthest North you can actually see in the game is 85N, and that's at the top of your screen in full zoom. If you zoom out, you can't see as far North.

- The furthest North you can set a waypoint is approximately 87N20'. That's by zooming all the way out and dragging the bottom of the waypoint's stem up to the top of your range of cursor motion.

- The furthest North you can actually sail is 89N30'00". It will sail slightly past that, but then resets your latitude back. Your E-W progress still occurs, but every N movement is immediately reversed.

- With some rough math, I approximated the distance around the world E-W at 89.5N to be 188 nm. I'm not sure if that's right or wrong. When sailing W at 18-20 kts, I was covering approximately 30 degrees of longitude per hour. That would suggest 6-7 nm per 10 degrees at that latitude, which would suggest something like 220-240 nm around. So... it's something in the 180-250 nm range around. I did it in 17.5 hours, but I slept through half of that and I think I may have been going upwind quite slowly some of the night. You can't see the wind forecast up there, so all you can do is set it to W or E, turn on the autosails, and hope for the best. I think if someone just went up there, set it to W, and kept a running "best circumnavigation" time checking once per waking hour, within a few days they'd be able to establish a time around 12 hours. To do it much faster than 10 hours, you'd need a pretty lucky wind pattern. Roughly 6 hours should be technically possible... but I doubt the winds would ever align well enough for a time better than maybe 8.

- Once you're way up there, you can't use a waypoint to get out. When you attempt to set a waypoint, it stops the entire waypoint graphic too far North to see or move. You need to set a course on a southerly angle and achieve enough southbound progress to get below about 88N before waypoints can be used again.

Pretty much useless information. It would be inappropriate for VR to ever schedule a race that involved sailing up there... but I had always been curious about this stuff, so I figured I'd publish my findings.
Post by iconPost by woffer | 2018-03-24 | 22:25:38
Mom, I'm VERY glad someone is staying awake to figure this stuff out
😀. Good work

Post by iconPost by zezo | 2018-03-24 | 22:57:28
You can't draw the poles on a Mercator chart because they are infinitely distant.

The 89.5N limit is probably because of the wind interpolation. While GRIB output provides numbers for the pole they are not meaningful in the usual sense because you can't really have a E-W component of the flow there. Or N-S component, come to think of it.
Post by iconPost by Lasse | 2018-03-24 | 23:55:34
I've just finished my fastest "around the world" race in 14h 50m!

I was at 89°30'00"N all the way around.

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