Winch pro !
Post by iconPost by mcmgj | 2017-12-08 | 01:22:47

It's seems that this bug is leave ...
with my boat in SO mode, I just changed light Gnk to Spi and i have a full penalty over 240 secondes (checked 247 secondes)

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Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 01:28:07
The taking/gybing too.
The 300 seconds of 50% speed in the maneuvers is already implemented in the game. The Winches Pro and the Auto Sails cards are already profitable.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-08 | 01:31:34
In which race did you try it?
Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 02:10:54
RORC and Clipper
Post by iconPost by mcmgj | 2017-12-08 | 01:39:35

proof : http://zupimages.net/up/17/49/me5g.jpg


07/12/2017 à 23:18:52 UTC 14°59'25"N 56°23'55"W 282.8 17.9 63.2 140.4 6.12 6.12 12.23 (Spi) 0.2 120 - Yes 7 - -
07/12/2017 à 23:16:52 UTC 14°59'23"N 56°23'42"W 282.8 17.9 63.2 140.4 pr6.12 6.12 12.23 (Spi) 0.2 120 - Yes 127 - -
07/12/2017 à 23:14:53 UTC 14°59'20"N 56°23'30"W 282.8 17.9 63.2 140.4 6.12 9.51 12.23 (Spi) 0.32 120 - Yes 247 - -
07/12/2017 à 23:14:00 UTC Command @23:13:16 Actions: Sail=Spi TWA=140.4

Post by iconPost by mcmgj | 2017-12-08 | 01:41:59
about 40 secondes on first ligne
120 secondes on second line
120 secondes on third line
and 7 secondes on last line
somme : 287 secondes !

Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 02:13:29
Those 13 sec. are also 50% speed. They are the 13 seconds between the implemented action at :00 and the first upgrade at :13

Post by iconPost by tabasco2 | 2017-12-08 | 04:28:36
What do you think about this?


Dec 7. '23:07 CET
Hello,
Thank you for your message!
The boat slows down every time you change sails, tack or gybe. This occurs because of manoeuvering.
The game considers manoeuvering any clicking or tapping the compass to change your heading either
you change the course or not but also when changing sails as you have to get on the deck, take out the
sails, hoist them, pull, slack... The Pro winches reduce the manoeuvering time either when you change
the course or the sails
We hope this answers your concerns! Do not hesitate to contact us again if you have any further questions.
Regards,
This email is a service from Virtual Regatta Offshore.

Post by iconPost by nsp | 2017-12-08 | 04:48:03
hmmmm... it's a confusing answer..

Maneuvering as in adjusting compass I don't thing slows down the boat. but i might be wrong. The effect of touching too much the helm/compass that yes..generally, it's better for you to go in a straight line then in a line full of curves.

As to the Pro winches. Or they fixed it between the day before yesterday and today or it's probably a lie or let's put it like a "wishful thinking"..lol.

As it is discussed in another thread To buy Pro winches till 2 days ago or not it was exactly the same...except to your wallet.

I don't know exactly how it is now but our experts can confirm it...
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-08 | 07:10:18
They fixed it. Got the same results as mcmgj above for a SO boat:

10.75 9.39 10.75
5.38 5.38 10.75 30
5.38 5.38 10.75 150
5.38 8.92 10.75 270
------------------
26.89 29.07 43.00

Which corresponds to 5 minutes spent at half speed.

At least the penalty is consistent now - before the fix you could get 5 seconds penalty one time and 110 seconds another time.


Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-08 | 08:55:21
and no slowing down for a boat with Pro Winches?
does your router consider the difference?
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-08 | 09:08:07
With Pro Winches the penalty should be reduced to 75 seconds half-speed. My Clipper boat has to gybe soon and I'll verify the result.

The router knows about the difference and will reduce the frequency of tacks/gybes, but I'd recommend checking the Pro Winches box for long-time strategy planning because it gives better results.

Plus, with Auto Sails there are no penalties for sail changes at the actual change. It seems that there is single penalty when activating (and possibly when deactivating/when the time expires) so it would be possible to purchase a stack of Auto Sail cards, activate them all during the first tack (because penalties are not additive, so no time wasted) and sail happily for a while.

Gybe/Tack penalties will still apply, of course, but if you have extra sail (exp. C0) it causes a lot of sail changes. There was a discussion that without Pro Winches a Code Zero actually gives worse results than no extra sail. So the foil remains a safe bet for a semi-free option if you have few credits to cover the difference.
Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 09:29:15
Confirmed several times:
Maneuver:
Pro winches: 75 sec
Standart winches: 300 sec
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-08 | 10:13:46
Yes, but those were only the declared values. Now they actually work that way. I can confirm the Pro Winches too.
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-08 | 16:43:37
have you notice that with autosails, you now get a 300 s penalty at 50% speed?

I was changing course around 136 TWA and it changed from C0 to Jib and back. As a result I found in the log a 50% speed during at least ten minutes. That is not how it should be, right?
Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 17:20:50
It seems it's not a bug but an idiot change.

See the new version of Help (updated 1 day ago):

"What are auto sails for?

Virtual Regatta
1 day ago Updated

Auto sails are a very convenient tool! Once activated, they allow your boat to sail with the optimal sail regardless of the wind speed or direction.

With the auto sails, you can be sure to sail with the best sail available on your boat.

Auto sails can be activated in X-hour increments (their duration may change for each race). To activate this option, you will have to spend one or more "Auto Sails" cards."

No mention about no penalty when changing sail

Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-08 | 19:50:21
I've asked support the question. Maybe more people can do it, in their own words.

Autosail change penalty is way over the top!

Pro winches benefit over not having them is clear and justifiable.
Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 19:25:35
Cvetan,

Maybe now you can eliminate the activation of winches by default in the router?
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-08 | 20:16:09
I probably should. But I want to state once more that for long-term strategy it's better to check the box.
Post by iconPost by Inicio | 2017-12-08 | 20:19:52
ok

Post by iconPost by mcmgj | 2017-12-09 | 03:37:37
Warning ...

Penality are added and can reduce your speed more than 50 % off.

Without pro winch I see but not shot this : speed reduced by 75% with 2 penalties in 2 minutes. speed of 2 kts insteed of 8 !

Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-09 | 11:49:54
the newly implemented feature of autosailchange penalty drives me nuts. just gybe to 143 port in Clipper (without winches so 300 s at 50%) and after ten minutes adjuste the course to 140 port inducing a sail change from Spi to C0 and another penalty (again 300 s at 50%).

Should have gybed to 140 directly and check the polar in advance ...
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-09 | 11:52:12
Same thing here. Got C0/LS/Spi sequence tonight.
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-09 | 12:29:14
even on the same ATW when wind varies around the switchover. Some hysteresis would be nice ;)
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-09 | 20:36:07
Already regretting the buy of HS from my RORC credits ...

What a shitload of sail change (and penalty) options now, when using autosail!
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-11 | 00:00:57
wow, no sail change penalty from Stay to LJ ...

Time Position Heading TWS TWD TWA vR (kn) vC (kn) vT (kn) Δd (nm) Δt (s) AutoSail AutoTWA Sail Gybe Tack
10-12-2017 22:00:11 UTC 35°54'31"S 18°40'30"E 158.6 18.1 107.9 50.7 11.39 11.39 11.39 (LJ) 0.38 120 121h59m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:58:11 UTC 35°54'10"S 18°40'19"E 158.6 18.1 107.9 50.7 11.39 11.25 11.39 (LJ) 0.37 119 122h01m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:58:00 UTC Command @21:57:46 Actions: TWA=-50.7 TWA=43.4 @ 11-12-2017 05:00:00 UTC;
10-12-2017 21:56:12 UTC 35°53'49"S 18°40'09"E 157.6 18.2 107.9 49.7 11.23 11.23 11.23 (LJ) 0.37 120 122h03m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:54:12 UTC 35°53'28"S 18°39'58"E 157.6 18.2 107.8 49.7 11.22 11.22 11.22 (LJ) 0.38 121 122h05m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:52:11 UTC 35°53'08"S 18°39'48"E 157.5 18.2 107.8 49.7 11.22 7.72 11.22 (LJ) 0.26 119 122h07m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:51:00 UTC Command @21:50:42 Actions: TWA=-49.7 TWA=43.4 @ 11-12-2017 05:00:00 UTC;
10-12-2017 21:51:00 UTC Command @21:50:28 Actions: TWA=-48.7 TWA=43.4 @ 11-12-2017 05:00:00 UTC;
10-12-2017 21:50:12 UTC 35°52'53"S 18°39'41"E 158.6 18.4 107.9 50.7 11.32 11.26 11.32 (Stay) 0.38 121 122h09m Yes - - -
10-12-2017 21:48:11 UTC 35°52'32"S 18°39'30"E 157.6 18.4 107.9 49.7 11.18 11.19 11.18 (Stay) 0.37 119 122h11m Yes - - -
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-11 | 00:01:27
I have Pro Winches
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-11 | 00:09:30
You have a penalty too. Look at the vC/DeltaD

Your boat moved 0.26 nm instead of 0.38, If we do the math that would probably be 75 seconds at half speed during 2-minute interval.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-11 | 00:13:47
When we actually do the math, 75 seconds at half speed is like standing still 37.5 seconds out of 120, which is about 32% of the time.

0.38 * 0.68 = 0.2584

You don't see a penalty seconds and the reported speed is the original because the penalty does not carry over to the next iteration in this case.
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2017-12-11 | 00:18:15
Just got the LJ penalty myself too

11.82 11.82 11.82 (LJ) 0.4
11.81 8.12 11.81 (LJ) 0.27
11.81 11.81 11.81 (Stay) 0.39
Post by iconPost by DancingDjMike | 2017-12-11 | 00:22:29
sharp Cvetan, didn't spot the drop in delta_nm
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