Zezo forum: Stamina Boosting Items

Stamina Boosting Items

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-09-23 | 16:46:05

Apparently VR's latest updates include options you can purchase and use during the race to boost your stamina.

I will not be doing any more races while that option exists.

As far as I am concerned, the integrity of the game is destroyed if all Full Packs are not racing on equal terms. I refuse to play a game where ongoing additional expense is required to be fully competitive.

I am not going to delete my ID, and will not be leaving my team's Discord channel... So if they change away from that, I will be happy to come back and race more. But if it stays that way, I'm retired from VR.

I'd like to say Thank You to Cvetan for his work on Zezo over the years. I have really enjoyed this exceptionally high-quality tool. It's a great example of how sometimes it's best to not over-complicate things.

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Post by NikoSurcouf | 2024-09-23 | 19:09:47

Hi YourMomSA,

I think a lot of players agree with you and will probably stop playing after the Vendee Globe if nothing changes.

It was always interesting to study your routes in the game.

Cheers.

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-09-23 | 19:28:20

Thanks. I'm sorry to have to say that won't even be doing Vendee unless it changes before then.

Post by NikoSurcouf | 2024-09-23 | 19:38:59

I'm waiting for 4 years for this race so I have to do it, but obviously the experience is already ruined, I'm disgusted...

Post by Tumi | 2024-09-24 | 18:46:48

Hi YourMomSA,

I'm sad to read your message but you are absolutely right. Hope VR reads and hears your message. Thank you, I'm a big admirer too

Tumi Biscotte

Post by Babounek | 2024-09-25 | 04:57:56

Hi all,
I'm fully agree with you all...
We have to inform VR about our disagreement concerning this new V7.0.1 (including the large list of bugs). I ask them to come back to the V6!!!
Tanks everybody and a special huge thank to Cvetan for his huge work!!!
Babounek

Post by ogin8 | 2024-09-25 | 09:48:20

Good day to you,

VR, same as many online games, is a business venture and they will do anything that will potentially increase their income. We have only choice pay and play or go away.

The other option is to play VR for free (sans options) and that could be devastating for VR if widely practiced during VG, when they expect massive participation and same income :)

Ogin

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-09-25 | 14:22:21

Well said.

I was willing to deal with the gradually increasing costs, and gradually dropping credit rewards. I was getting more and more picky about which races I would pay for, due to the rising full pack costs, but that's ok. As you said, it's a business. They need to find the price point that is most profitable for them.

But... I simply won't play a game where ongoing daily expense impacts who wins. If the Full Pack, alone, doesn't provide a full opportunity to compete on equal terms, I simply won't play. I can't imagine it being fun, and I can easily see how addictive the boosters could be.

Post by ogin8 | 2024-09-25 | 19:37:27

Hi YourMom,

I did my choice 3 years ago and since that moment I have played in total 12 races (none started in 2024) with only few full packs. I'm not familiar with latest version of the game and I'm confused with your info that the will be daily expenses but if it is the case it certainly means end of the game for many of us. You will be not alone.

On the other hand as already NikoSurcouf said, I'm not sure what my decision will be on Vende Globe. I need to think about it. Maybe I will reduce number of races further to VG and JV only?

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-09-25 | 20:38:48

I should clarify... I'm not a fan of boycotts and my choice to stop racing shouldn't be viewed as a call for one. Everyone should make their own decisions, and if people like the current version, that's fine. It's just not for me.

To clarify for those who don't know...

-A couple years ago, they introduced "stamina". Each maneuver brings your stamina down. It climbs back up with time. The lower your stamina is when you execute a maneuver (sailchange, tack, or gybe), the longer your slowdown penalty is. This added an interesting new challenge.

-The new version added multiple new options to the game. I haven't looked into the details of the new options, because most of them are included in the Full Pack. I think if I continued to play, the new options would probably result in me almost always only playing with a Full Pack (except when I'm just playing around for fun and not competing). The new options make it more difficult to be competitive without paying for a Full Pack, but... None of that is why I decided to stop playing.

-The new version also includes at least three ways to temporarily improve your stamina situation. I believe one temporarily increases your stamina max, and one temporarily reduces the stamina lost per manever, and one increases the pace at which your stamina is regained. There might also be something that simply restores stamina. I believe there is a limit on how often each can be used, so there's a limit on how beneficial these things can be... But... you have to spend credits each time you use them, regardless of whether or not you've purchased a Full Pack. That's the issue for me. I simply will not play a game where I have to make continuous decisions on whether or not to spend more as the game moves along, and where people who are willing to burn credits on these elements at the maximum allowed rate have an advantage accordingly.

I haven't entered a race since the new version was introduced. If it turns out that I have misunderstood the situation, I welcome clarification.

Post by goyann | 2024-10-03 | 09:04:55

Fully online with you. I proposed to limit these boost to max 2 or 3 per week of race and include them to the FP. This may add more strategy to use them, and provide same options to anyone wants to win.

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-10-03 | 20:37:43

Agreed. If the game had a maximum allowable rate of use, and the Full Pack included usage at that rate, it would be acceptable and potentially interesting.

If their goal is to encourage people with large credit balances to consume credits, I believe the answer is simple... allow people to buy Full Packs with credits.

Post by jroualet | 2024-10-10 | 08:35:53

Can't agree more with you mate.

I've never had a level neither the dedication to compete with top players, and often just participated with the minimum that I could buy with credits given for races, and for VG, RDR & TJV, increased the boats with credits won during the year.

Then, thanks to social networks I won couple of Full Packs and skins of the official teams the last years which were quite helpful to help me enter into the top 5% of couple of races, especially given the changes in the credits we were earning in the races since 4/5 years. But never intended to pay for it as I was not good enough to think about reaching the Top 50 :D

When Stamina arrived, that was already a big challenge for random players like me especially when you happened to leave automatic sails change on without properly preparing your route. But that's part of the game, and even if the new addons could help with this, I'm totally against it, even if that was limited in number. It's a bit as if a sailor was not bringing enough food for the VG and in the end would receive food or anything by choper during the race...

Stamina, winchs, magic furler, lounge, jacket... VR becomes nut!
With winchs and reaching sails I could somehow hope not to be too far from the lead, but now we can't imagine this anymore.

Anyway in case you quit, thanks YourMom. You're probably one of the first player I followed back probably in 2012 where we could use Hugo Boss black boat skin (or other teams) for free if I remember well. You became the Alex Thomson of VR, wondering which crazy route you would think about to take the lead, being one of the only foreign flag with tipapacheri in between mostly French ones, and staying without official team for years. That was fun following you ;)

Post by Robot_Rock | 2024-10-10 | 16:00:53

We are in the same boat and that's sad...

Post by YourMomSA2 | 2024-10-23 | 17:57:33

I received a partner code for Vendee, so I have decided to go ahead and do Vendee. I still don't intend to do any other races, before, during, or after Vendee, if consumables remain part of the game.

This may sound contradictory, but I actually WILL use consumables while doing Vendee, when it seems important to do so. When I race, I try to win. I don't see a reason to do the race at all if I'm not willing to use the consumables. I have about 7000 credits, and will use them accordingly. I won't buy more credits if I run out on consumables. I will then re-retire after Vendee, unless the consumables disappear.