Zezo forum: Troph�e Jules Verne

Troph�e Jules Verne

Post by Jeanbern19 | 2020-12-28 | 15:21:27

Hello, the simulation for the Jules Verne Trophy is not out? I do not see it !
Thank you all

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Post by Pimpi | 2020-12-28 | 15:35:48

Hi, I was told that the start of the JV Trophy has been anticipated. The previous schedule was on 31 January. I don't know why. Waiting for Zezo forecast simulation. thanks in advance as usual

Post by Jeanbern19 | 2020-12-28 | 15:38:41

I was also surprised !!
He left at 4:00 p.m.
They didn't even warn

Maybe because of the storm BELLA !!?

Post by YourMomSA | 2020-12-31 | 20:36:18

So... it looks like this year's TJV uses Maxi Tri's... Haven't the last few editions used the "Maxi Tri + 10%" polars? Max speed is 38 kts or so, whereas I think the usual event has boats that can do 42.

If so, then some questions...

-Do we have benchmarks for a "good start window" projected time to the equator and to Cape of Good Hope? The last few years, I think it was something like 5-5.5 days and 11.5-13 days... But with this year's polars, I'm guessing more like... 6 days and 14?

-Has this event used these polars before? If so, which year(s)? I'd like to look up the winning elapsed times. I'm guessing 44-46 days...

-When Cvetan first opened the event, which polars did he use? If it ws the +10% polars, when did he adjust it? I'm wondering because I started with a projected Equator time of 147 hours or so, and now it's more like 160, so I'm just wondering if that's because the weather forecast changed or the polars. No worries either way... I chose to go early to try to post an early "clubhouse lead"... I'm not expecting this run to be competitive unless the whole season is slow.

Post by toxcct | 2021-01-01 | 15:23:54

I confirm. They changed the polars to the Maxi Trimaran, while it used to be the "+10%" version since then.

Post by Fred | 2021-01-07 | 08:50:10

Hi zezo community, do you know if Gitana 17 boat will appear on our VR map once they will start an attempt? Looks like they are in starting blocks for tomorrow/Saturday, last chance this year.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-10 | 04:17:01

I've discovered something useful... I'm not sure if this is an intentional change by VR or not...

If you click on a boat and then bring up the rankings, you'll get the rankings at that boat's most recently validated gate, rather than your own most recently validated gate.

So, for example, if you click on Ghosbuster, who's in the north Atlantic, and then pull up the rankings, you can see that a boat called Ironman currently has the best "Equator Return" time, at 38:20:04.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-02-13 | 14:31:59

This is very interesting indeed. Not sure they did it on purpose but at least very useful to check intermediate time of friends in other sections your are not sailing currently. You are still the Master !

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-10 | 17:56:38

That is so counter-intuitive that I think they are going to call it a bug, but it's actually a really cool feature.

It will be really nice to check if anyone more than a gate behind is on a flyer. As far as I can tell, there's not, but, I don't have a single boat I follow between the Capes at the moment.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-10 | 22:12:26

You and the others that started a few hours behind me will post the best initial times. But anyone who gets to Cape Horn within 3 days of our arrival time will have potential to finish with a better final time, with some luck climbing the Atlantic. Making up one day on us off Brazil would be easy. Two would be possible with a little luck. Three would take ideal conditions. But the last few days have been atrocious , and the North Atlantic piece is looking mediocre at best. I feel like our Cape Horn - to - Finish times will be comparable to choosing to start with a 180-hour start window, hoping to get lucky later.

On the other hand, we were quite fast all the way to Leeuwin, so it'll be difficult to get to Cape Horn within 2-3 days of us.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-10 | 23:06:33

At least as far as I can tell there is no one on the course that has even a remote chance of doing that and there doesn't look to be a reasonable start window till we finish, so we can get back and defend in a later window.

In terms of those that left in our window, SlyStar seems to be several hours ahead on elapsed. Hardtack and Nicky761 are neck and neck with my time. And those that started earlier suffered in the compression. Sorry YM.

Of course, for everyone you are aware of, there's always a bunch you don't see. So, if anyone wants to add to the hotlist, post here and we can keep an eye on them.

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-13 | 12:17:03

I have just crossed the equator again, and I am 3 days late on YourmomSA ...
Which is 1 day behind on Slystarleretour ...
I didn't buy the pack, but I have all the options ...
Like YourmomSA, I sail with zezo.

I must have missed something ... but what?

So sick. :o(

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-02-13 | 14:23:01

Don't be sick Misterdjul - this is pure luck for me; i wanted to start same time as Your Mom but it was a busy day at work and did not had time to consider earlier. My time to Good Hope is very poor, i was almost considering to cancel the attempt and try a Third attempt (this current one is my second) and was just so lucky before the Horn to recover the herd of my best friends ahead of me. Also the route is still long till arrival, several top guns will fight and can overtake me. And i noticed VR pushed the closing to April 15th so a second full run is still possible for most of us. Take care and .. don't be sick. this is just a game :) Kind regards

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-13 | 15:45:21

These events are all about the start time, and getting lucky with the weather for the 30 days or so after what you can see in the forecast for your start.

Ironman was still the leader at the equator return, with 38:20, right up until OgeR and a few others arrived at the front of the pack that includes misterdjul, me, Slystar, BooBill, and everyone else who started within the 5 days before me or the ~12 hours after me and sailed well enough to not miss any major weather systems.

With that said... the biggest skill factor is to be among the boats who started last but to still make the same critical transition as those ahead of you. The later you start, the harder that is to do. I'd bet that there are plenty of boats who started near SlyStar, but missed some transitions and are a day or more behind him.

Anyway, my point in bringing up Ironman is... Boats in our pack are as much as 3.5 days faster than him to the equator return, but NO ONE posted a better time than him until the front of our immediate pack (near OgeR) arrived. This implies that NO ONE who started in the 3.5 days before SlyStar (3 days before me) was able to stay significantly ahead of this pack. The weather forced everyone who started within the 3.5 days before Slystar to wait for him and everyone else in our pack to catch up. Off Brazil, if not sooner. So misterdjul hasn't done anything wrong. It's just the nature of this event.

Another way to feel sick in this event is to push your start time too late, miss the back of a system, and watch the fleet sail away. (Although Slystar did that, stayed patient, and was favored by the wind gods later).

Another way to feel really sick in this event is to give up on what looks like a bad run, re-start, and then see people you were ahead of do really well later.

But the worst way to feel sick in this event is to finish your run, feel good about it, and then watch 400 boats you've never heard of, weren't tracking, and didn't know about suddenly all finish with times a day faster than yours. And then you look at their tracks and see that some of them didn't appear to be trying particularly hard (long straight lines, periods of negative VMG, etc). And you realize... If you didn't pick the right start time, no amount of hard work is going to help you do well in this event. Then you swear you'll never do it again. Then you sign up again the next year anyway.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-13 | 16:43:16

Imagine telling your friends that you play this game where you sail a virtual boat around the world in real weather. Your whole placement hinges on the time you choose to start. Then you have to focus on sailing well and only after 40 days will you have an inkling of whether you are doing well or not.

I know. They'd think you are an idiot. So, let's keep this our little secret.

Post by zezo | 2021-02-13 | 17:00:34

One of the few Bulgarian sailors that has actually made a circumnavigation IRL dropped by in the VR Facebook group and told us we are all wankers.

Post by turtle 1663 | 2021-02-20 | 06:29:26

So true :-)

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-13 | 18:37:36

Sly,
Il reste environ 1 semaine de course, Ca va �tre compliqu� de te reprendre 4 jours... Mais je vais recommencer la course, s'il y a une bonne fen�tre m�t�o avant le... 5 mars ?

Zezo,
Alors oui, je confirme, je suis bel est bien un branleur. Parce que , m�me si j'avais les moyens de faire tour du monde comme le vend�e globe, il me faudrait un "putain" de mental.

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Sly,
There is about 1 week of racing left, It will be difficult to take you back 4 days ... But I will start the race again, if there is a good weather window before ... March the 5?

Zezo,
So yes, I confirm, I am indeed a wanker. Because, even if I had the means to go around the world like the Vend�e Globe, I would need a "fucking" mental.

Post by wallin | 2021-02-13 | 20:23:31

I'm sorry I didn't leave when you started, but at the time I was competing in the Vend�e Globe and I didn't want to disperse my attention in another race. Now, I'm looking through a good window and nothing for the next few days

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-14 | 02:23:58

I'm sure folks have been noticing, but the big pack's time to finish has been steadily improving. My routing currently shows a total time of 42d10h. I can't see anyone outside this pack with a chance to come close to that. Also, we will finish before any reasonable start window evolves.

I'm still waiting for someone to identify a boat on the course that I'm not tracking that's on a ripper.

Failing that, I think we can be comfortable that the times (and pecking order) for this pack will stand up and we will be back in time to go again and defend those times if another start window evolves.

Also, anyone remember what the VR record is? Remember, this year it's in the slower "solo" Maxi Tri. Last year it was in the "crewed" Maxi Tri + 10%.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-14 | 02:52:57

The history doesn't show provide full results before 2017, but here's what I have...

2019-20: Phil Destroy 39:18:29
18-19: CocoNeuil 38:23:09
17-18: ujuj4970 38:21:42
16-17: I was 70th in 46:23
15-16: I was 404th in 47:11

I think the last three editions used the same "Max Tri + 10%" polars that would be 10% faster than this year's edition. I'm not sure if the slower events in the prior two editions were due to different polars or slower conditions (although it's also just that I listed my time rather than the winner's).

Anyway... With a straight 10% add, those winning times would translate to 42.5-43.5 days, which would suggest that 42:10 should be very hard to beat. I don't think it's necessarily as clean as a straight 10% add, though, since fleets inevitably run into fleet compression that would bring the slower ones back up.

Times under 43 days will be very hard to beat.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-14 | 03:02:12

It's definitely going to be less than a 10% difference since the speed of the low-pressure systems acts as kind of a universal speed limit. The faster your boat, the faster you will run out the front of the system.

However, that gives me some comfort YM. Now, I just need SlyStar to follow you over to the west and allow me to cut inside ;)

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-02-14 | 05:03:22

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-14 | 11:54:59

Since Domingo216 arrived, I know we are over 202,000

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-18 | 22:56:36

This is getting interesting. There's been extention by the earlier departures, which means compression in expected elapsed times. The 3h40m spread among the top 6 at the equator is now down to less than an hour on current routings. Pecking order hasn't changed much, but it's getting close enough for a photo finish.

No sleep till Ouessant.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-02-19 | 16:28:32

no sleep ?..:) .well it looks like direct/straight forward twa 150 for 20 hours..?.. :)

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-19 | 16:58:50

That was a little play on some Beastie Boy lyrics.

Things compressed a bit overnight anyways. Fleet is spread out enough that at times we have quite different wind. At this point I think you're safe Sly. I'm more worried about BigBalls coming up my transom.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-20 | 02:27:40

I'm like Ma Bell, I got the Ill Communications.

I feel disgrace when you're all up in my face. But make no mistakes and switch up my channel. I'm Buddy Rich when I fly off the handle. What could it be, it's a mirage. You're scheming on a thing that's sabotage.

She's crafty. She gets around. She's crafty. She's always down. She's crafty. She's got a gripe. She's crafty. And she's just my type.

Your Mom busted in and said "what's that noise?". Aw mom, you're just jealous, it's the Beastie Boys.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-02-20 | 11:01:39

Sabotage :) .. Oh Vat !!! ... :):)

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-20 | 17:12:39

Bravo Sly

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-20 | 18:22:53

who plans to leave, and when?
On what criteria?

Thank you google translate.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-20 | 19:52:11

There are 11 days left in which to start and finish with a time that would beat the current leaders. If you are looking to better an earlier run that is slower, then your start window is shorter.

There is a reasonable (not great) start window now, that slowly improves till Tuesday the 23rd. The south Atlantic part of that journey looks underwhelming as well. There is always the possibility that turns into a great run later, beyond the length of the forecast. Remember, half a world tour is spent climbing the Atlantic on the way back and the current leaders had a very slow climb. Anything is possible, just not likely.

I'll probably make a start on Tuesday, just to defend my position. As to exactly when, well, it would only be polite to allow you to go first sir (also good tactics).

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-21 | 07:34:32

I will also leave, to improve my position.
Tuesday seems ideal.
Deadline, on march, the 2 or the 3.

Post by Pimpi | 2021-02-21 | 10:59:15

Hi, and thank you for asking and sharing. I'll probably make a start on Tuesday too. I would like to improve my position or at least just to defend it. Waiting for big players starting (haha! joking!) :))

Post by Eleytheria | 2021-02-21 | 15:21:09

Leaving again after having just arrived...not terribly looking forward to it TBH. I lost a lot of time right after cape horn because IRL but still managed to place 10th, did most of the atlantic side by side with Sly. I'm exhausted though, I'm not sure I want to go for a second attempt but i will be left with no choice if y'all leaving again!

Post by Pimpi | 2021-02-21 | 16:54:08

Hi Eley! You are leading the Italian scoring and actually I am in the third position 7 hours late! I think I can catch you both! :)

Post by Eleytheria | 2021-02-22 | 01:16:24

Bene! Challenge accepted, then! :)

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-22 | 08:54:18

Joli dessin Slystar :-)

Post by Eleytheria | 2021-02-22 | 13:27:25

lol https://snipboard.io/I5g6XB.jpg

Post by Pimpi | 2021-02-22 | 21:18:54

Very funny! Great Sly!

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-23 | 07:45:28

A new weather window, tomorrow Wednesday, 8 p.m.?
Yourmom ?

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-23 | 15:57:18

I'm not sure if I'm going again. I'm tired of this race. I'm going to enjoy C600 for a while. If I re-start, it will be a sudden decision, hoping to get lucky 3-4 weeks later, rather than a carefully calculated start time.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-23 | 16:49:27

South Atlantic forecast makes this window unlikely to be a winner. I was going to go again just for the hell of it. After spending 30 mins getting off Saba last night in the C600, I think I may spend my next run of the JV seeing how far up the Seine I can navigate. Did that between runs in the NY-SF going up the Hudson and its invaluable experience avoiding and clearing land. The new game engine works a bit differently than the old one.

So, if you see me starting, I wouldn't follow ;)

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-02-23 | 19:09:40

That's something I really enjoy about these record events... Once my final run is definitely done, it's fun to just start a boat and explore the world. I've done the same Hudson experiment, tried to get to 90N (you can't... it stops, offscreen, at something above 89 without any indication of being aground), sailed to the deepest south point possible in Antarctica (ice shelves are open water in the game), a few Northwest Passage runs, etc. I've seen boats go to the Red Sea before, but haven't done that run myself yet.

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-23 | 17:17:30

Comment fais tu pour �tudier la descente de l'atlantique sud, sachant que la m�t�o est incertaine apr�s 5 jours ?
...

How do you go about studying the descent of the South Atlantic, knowing the weather is uncertain after 5 days?

Post by Eleytheria | 2021-02-23 | 18:09:08

I just look at what's developing over south America and what's moving around cape horn but it's more of a guesstimate than anything concrete.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-23 | 18:57:32

What he said.

You get to learn what "normal" weather systems around the world look like and what disrupts them. The south Atlantic follows some pretty regular patterns. A low coming off the SA continent will split the St Helena high and that just won't disappear in 5 days.

Post by misterdjul | 2021-02-23 | 21:42:06

je manque de connaissance pour comprendre tout �a
...

I lack the knowledge to understand all this

Post by Pois off | 2021-02-26 | 23:53:34

Hi, can i'have the information maps of the second piece of Julius Verne record.

Post by BooBill | 2021-02-27 | 03:50:35

If you want to get a very high level history of what kind of wind conditions to expect in a certain part of the ocean at a particular time of year, a good place to start is, https://www.kp44.org/ftp/PilotCharts/

Pilot charts show how often the wind blows from a certain direction and at what strength. However, they don't tell you much about how systems develop. ie) what sequence they follow. The best way to learn that, frankly, is to play this game.

Post by Raphael94 | 2021-03-04 | 08:25:47

Hi all, from yesterday i have discrepancies between the game and zezo, if I want to follow the routing from zezo this morning it says Heading 165�/TWA -115� but when I check on the game, heading 165�gives me a TWA of 70� (which looks normal if we consider the wind in the game of 98� and 49� with zezo). I checked and my position in zezo is accurate.
Have you ever experienced this?
For Tara Ocean, it looks fine and accurate.

Post by Hardtack | 2021-03-04 | 09:37:41

Check if the start time dropdown in zezo says 'Start NOW'. If it does and you still see discrepancies, check which side VR Dashboard agrees with.

Post by Raphael94 | 2021-03-04 | 12:18:58

yes, it's on "start now"
VR : 160/94 ;
dashboard 160/90
zezo router : 176/130, it might be only because it's with slow speed wind and conditions in the area are poor but I just try to understand what I need to "follow" not easy with these.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-03-21 | 02:25:59

For anyone who was happy with their finish time a month ago and ceased monitoring this race... franckhamburg is going to set a new best time at the Cape Horn gate in about 4 hours. He started in the same window as boats like Buddha and Tipap, but a little earlier in the window then them. He was able to connect with a system in the southern ocean that they couldn't catch, and has been sailing very close to the max polar speed for 9 days straight now. I'm not sure how many boats are with him, but I guess we'll see that in the Cape Horn standings tomorrow. I haven't checked his routings to the finish, so I don't know if he's projected to put up a new best time, but... He certainly has a good chance, given that the fleet that finished a month ago wasn't exactly fast up the Atlantic.

Buddha, Tipap, and the others who didn't connect with that system are also going well, but are more than a day behind. They would need a strong (but not impossible) performance in the Atlantic to beat the best finishers from a month ago.

Then there's the group that started with 43 days left in the event, including me, ghostbuster, OgeR, NZ-Eligo, and plenty of others. I shanked it. I split off Brazil and missed the train that the others caught, and am now stuck in a giant light wind patch while they sail away. Pretty soon, I'll give up entirely and go play on the Antactic coast. But the others are likely to break 19 days at Leeuwin. ghostbuster is the best of them that I know of, having started at the back of the window and passed most of the group. They won't set a new best time at Leeuwin, but they'll be close to it, and ahead of the times of both Oh_Vat and franckhamburg... At a glance, their forecast for the route to Cape Horn looks pretty fast, so they appear to also have a chance.

I'm a spectator at this point.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-03-21 | 05:46:50

Hi Ch,
Being in the group of NZ-Eligo, OgeR and Ghost, we have our eyes in the mirror and cant stop keep watching Galere-SplendioseTPN who started after us more than 12 hours later, has now recover our peloton and thus can make a final scratch time :)
Still long way to go but.. we'll see.
Take care & kind regards

Post by BooBill | 2021-03-21 | 03:29:18

Esquirol-arc is with him. Started 4 hours earlier though.

Current routings have FranckHamburg finishing in 42d 4h, or 8 hours ahead of the current clubhouse leaders. So, Esquirol-arc would also displace the current leaders.

Routing will only get Tipap&Buddha to day 40 or their run, which would have them around Cape Verde, so very unlikely to challenge.

There's another small group that started 2 days after Tipap&Buddha that includes me and Wassuppp. We have a good chance of beating Knox-Johnston's 1968 time.

Post by Sunkist | 2021-03-21 | 07:51:03

We are about 25-40 boats as far as I can tell at Cape Horn with a good time. A few really good times - to bad I started 2 hours to early.
South Atlantic is looking reasonable but not really predictable how that will play out.

Post by misterdjul | 2021-03-22 | 23:54:47

Il y a des concepts qui m'�chappent !
Je crois que je ne finirais jamais dans le top 1.000, sur les courses de vitesses !

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There are concepts that escape me!
I don't think I would ever finish in the top 1,000, in the speed races!

Post by Hardtack | 2021-03-22 | 23:58:57

So no one at VR read the memo and weather is stuck at 2021-03-22/06z.

I wonder when they'll realize they need to append atmos/ to their URLs?
They have 16days until we run out of forecasts.

Meanwhile, either those currently in the lead or those aspiring to improve their position will be dissatisfied. I'm too lazy to run any routings.

Post by falcon470 | 2021-03-23 | 01:14:16

Hi Hardtack, the real predictions stopped at 03/22 with last update noaa 06.00 is correct? so we will finish the JV with this latest model which will be very different from reality .. I did not understand when they will release the next update? thanks for all the work you do

Post by Hardtack | 2021-03-23 | 07:24:43

NOAA/NCEP are still producing forecast data of course. Current cycle is 2021-03-23/00. But NCEP changed the output directory structure. VR is looking in the wrong place.

Post by OgeR | 2021-03-23 | 10:06:45

Many thanx Hardtack,
I've just informed VR via the Club House, asking to Pat-Rock to transmit the info.

Post by Inicio | 2021-03-23 | 10:55:28

Absolute difference wind Zezo versus VR just now?

Very very big

Post by BooBill | 2021-03-23 | 11:39:27

The game appears to be on current cycle now. Running a route has expected wind matching game wind. However, http://zezo.org/grib/gribv1/all.grib is returning an empty file.

Post by zezo | 2021-03-23 | 12:42:29

Been waiting for the game to get in sync. Fixed.

Post by Inicio | 2021-03-23 | 12:56:48

Thanks!

Post by Busso | 2021-03-23 | 16:19:52

Hi Cvetan and others ,
many thanks to all of you for your fantastic job.
Not sure, but the all.grib file seems to update to 12z while the router still stuck on 6z, you confirm?
Edit: update is on the way, good!

Post by Reves_de_gosse | 2021-03-23 | 20:17:34

Hardtack posted on 2021-03-22 | 23:58:57
So no one at VR read the memo and weather is stuck at 2021-03-22/06z.

I wonder when they'll realize they need to append atmos/ to their URLs?
They have 16days until we run out of forecasts.

Actually, I read wind forecast using, as address, :
https://nomads.ncep.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/filter_gfs_1p00.pl
followed by a lot of data, for example :
?file=gfs.t , &subregion= , ...
That is not working anymore.

Hardtack said also :
I wonder when they'll realize they need to append atmos/ to their URLs?

But I don't understand.

Somebody can explain how to do now ?

Thanks.

Post by Hardtack | 2021-03-23 | 20:37:58

There are several ways to download forecast data. You can download the files via HTTP, FTP or via the grib filter like you do.
It looks like the filter URLs changed in the same way as the other URLs - you need to insert atmos/ after the cycle (00/, 06/ etc) which comes after the file.

Start here https://nomads.ncep.noaa.gov/
and navigate forward to the filter variable selection page. Then check the
'Show the URL only for web programming' to see the URL.

Post by BooBill | 2021-03-26 | 22:56:07

If anyone likes a nailbiter, with current routing, I see the leader at the Cape, Spin22 finishing with a time of 42d 12h 36m. That would fall short of the lead by 6 minutes.

But, before you feel comfortable with your first run time, the forecast for that group could not be worse. Meaning, that time is more likely to improve than not.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-03-27 | 21:37:16

FWIW, my first run's Cape Horn time was something like 6th or 8th best, and now it's 57th, so... That group has about 50 boats in it. At least it isn't several hundred.

Post by Sunkist | 2021-03-28 | 16:48:25

The systems slowed us right down - seems like you are safe if there is no major shift in the systems in the next 8 days.

Post by Busso | 2021-03-29 | 16:17:20

As SlyStar said, Galere-SplendioseTPN made an impressive time at Horn, more than 10 hours ahead of Spin22! For our group, south Atlantic was not very fast, and north doesn't appear to be fast either.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-03-29 | 19:00:38

Yes She is very impressive !

She was good previously on very slow boat like Magellan where she did top 2 and top 3 on legs 10 & 11.

Now she is doing great on very high speed with 26,24 knots average and an ERT of 37 days + some hours ... Still Atlantic ocean to clim up from south to north but she can do it !

I am a big fan :)

Post by BooBill | 2021-03-30 | 03:35:05

Current routing has her finishing in 41d 17h. So, 19h ahead of the current clubhouse leader and only 12 hours before the race closes. Good winds, she obliterates the record, slightly less favorable, DNF.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-03-31 | 01:05:28

There was a NY-SF a couple years ago where the winner finished an hour or two before the race closed. Awkward Turtle was lined up to finish second (and thinking he could win, as he didn't know about the other boat), but missed the deadline by less than 5 minutes. His last couple days were quite interesting simply as a spectator.

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-03-31 | 08:23:34

@ YM yes i do remember !

@ Boobill, i made a mistake, i looked at the ERT on zezo but seems Galere would now arrive on 16th of april so will be too late

Post by Busso | 2021-04-03 | 18:15:25

Her ETA is now on 15th, she can do it! Very interesting!
Spin22 and all the group approach 30�N and are still in time with Oh_Vat for now. Hard to believe we are going to lost hours and hours in the last miles :(

Post by BooBill | 2021-04-03 | 21:17:11

I have Spin22's total time based on routing at 44d 3h. I think you are making the mistake of using the ETA function in Dashboard, which assumes they maintain their average speed for the whole run and sail a direct orthodrome to the finish. That's not going to happen. Based on routing he'd come in around 120th.

Galere can still do it. Currently, I see her finishing in 42d 5h, just 4 hours before the race closes. However, for the past two days her routing had her missing the close. So, nailbiter.

Post by Busso | 2021-04-04 | 07:26:01

Hi BooBill. Sorry, my english must be bad, I have also Spin22 in more than 44d. But today, he's ahead of Oh_Vat by some hours and will lost lot of time in the last 3 days, will tack at 40� for the last 2 days. What a pity!

Post by misterdjul | 2021-04-04 | 20:18:34

I'm next to her ...
Suddenly I arrive on the 14th at 4pm, then on the 15th at 9am.
Who knows...

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-04-12 | 15:36:45

For anyone who hasn't been paying attention but would like some entertainment, it still looks very close whether or not the final group will finish before the race closes. I ran a routing an hour or so ago and it said the leaders of the group would miss the deadline by about half an hour. With 2+ days to go, that can easily change. It's going to be close.

Here are the boats in that group who had the 10 best times at the equator on the return:
galere-splendiose
bacchus66
Buena02
azazel
coulou 8
NovaRemi
DrWockes
ghostbuster
Spektakel
Jakamer

The first 4 to maybe 6 of those would win overall if they finish before the deadline. The rest would need to beat the deadline by a few hours to take the overall lead but of course would still move into the top 20 overall if they finish. I think that overall, that group has something in the range of 25-30 boats that would move into the top 50 in the final standings if they are able to finish before the deadline.

If you are in the event for spectator purposes like me, but you have not crossed the equator on the return yet, click on a boat that has crossed it (such as one of those 10, or me). Then click on the rankings. The game now shows the rankings for the gate of whichever boat you have most recently clicked on, so by doing that, you'll get the above list of 10 boats plus everyone else with the next-best times. Two days from now, it'll be fun to watch to see if any of them can make it.

Post by misterdjul | 2021-04-14 | 22:15:49

if the winds are stronger, when the wind chart changes, 30 minutes from the end, it's okay!

Post by SlyStarLeRetour | 2021-04-15 | 03:39:12

I am sad for them - they did a great race and missed it for 20 to 40 min .... very painful i guess.

Congrats Oh Vatt

Post by misterdjul | 2021-04-13 | 15:18:05

J'ai bien peur qu'ils ratent le record pour 30 min.
Il faudrait une fermeture du jeu � 03h.

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I'm afraid they'll miss the record for 30 minutes.
The game should be closed at 3 a.m.

Post by wamaprod | 2021-04-14 | 21:59:48

What is the class race for the JV? For exemple Vend�e Globe is 1st class and Tara is 4. Impossible to found the good answer when the race is start...

Post by misterdjul | 2021-04-14 | 22:12:49

It is also a class 1.
I doubt it is at 2.

Post by wamaprod | 2021-04-14 | 22:15:55

Same for me... Not sure if it was 1 or 2...

Post by BooBill | 2021-04-14 | 22:47:57

Race class is no longer relevant to the current scoring system, so races don't have classes anymore.

Post by jadanton | 2021-04-14 | 23:20:42

the race class still have an impact on the credits needed for the options or the price of the full pack .
By the way, JV is VSR 1

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-11-01 | 16:51:21

A recent "newsletter" email said Trophee Jules Verne will open November 11. Any chance Cvetan could go ahead and initiate routing for it (with an assumption that the polars are unchanged) so that we can start evaluating "times to the equator"?

Post by misterdjul | 2021-11-11 | 11:37:42

May be here ? http://zezo.org/jv/times.html

since: http://zezo.org/jv/chart.pl

Post by zezo | 2021-11-11 | 16:47:03

It was using the non-10% polars. Fixed now, but the prediction columns before today (11th of November) are off.

Post by Pierre | 2021-11-11 | 18:51:28

Anyone remembers from last year if 150 hours (with a full pack) to go to the equator (possible in a few days) is a really good time ?

Post by From | 2021-11-12 | 12:06:41

Last year best E times were from 117 to 122 max.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-11-12 | 13:21:16

The awkward thing with this event is that one can only choose a start window based on times to the equator and then some forecasts for the south atlantic that are likely to change before arrival anyway. In most years, with this Ultime, the best time to the equator will be in the 115-130 hour range, but... the winner at the end can be someone who gets to the equator in 160 hours and then gets lucky with the weather for the rest of the trip.

Equator times over 160 hours are probably taking too much of an early loss to make it up later. Times over 180 hours almost definitely are.

Why did I start immediately, then, when I'll be lucky if I break 190? Just for fun... I want to see if I can be the first finisher. And since all of the start times for the first several days look bad, if I can put up an early best time, maybe could hold that for a week. Not a smart plan if the goal is to actually win... but... This race has driven my nuts every year... I don't enjoy starting in a thick pack, spending 40 days racing against that pack, hopefully doing well against that pack, and then watching 400+ boats that started two days later put up better times. So... I'm just trying to have some fun.

Post by From | 2021-11-12 | 20:29:10

I Guess i'll be one or those wo'll try to take you this honor ;p Nope,i wont be that pretentious, and i dont think this will happen, i should restart before. As we had no chance for making a good try this time, i try to go south as straight as i can, hoping a miracle with the forecast. And that spends time, i was boring with only 5 races to manage ^^

BTW,i always asked my self where ur nickname came from? i'm sure there's a good story behind.

Post by YourMomSA | 2021-11-12 | 20:42:21

Not really... I just came up with it as an ID in the Sailing Anarchy forums when trying to think of something humorous, and then later learned about VR in the SA thread about that year's VOR... So I signed up for that VOR with the same name.

Post by From | 2021-11-12 | 21:33:10

Arf... not ur fault anyway ^^

Post by CaptSlow | 2021-11-12 | 22:05:48

It reminds me of a player in Battlefield called "Your Mom's Breakfest".
Every time a player was killed by him/her he saw this: "you were killed by Your Mom's Breakfest".

Post by Pierre | 2021-11-12 | 22:21:04

Thanks for all the info on the times to equator!

Post by zezo | 2021-11-24 | 17:06:09

Spindrift just announced a start on Thursday.

My router agrees with times below 5 days.